he's very much aligned intellectually with president obama particularly on the notion of fairnesses. you know, you talk to economistses. should we really be raising taxes now? no. hour hour tax increases, we're going to lose the deductions -- >> probably shouldn't be cutting that much. the economy is like in a very weird state right now, kind of like i think the notion is to grow it now, you know? and, you know, this guy doesn't see that. he sees raising taxes not as an economic efficiency so to speak, but as you know, you don't get a lot of tax revenues out of that, but more as a fairnesses issue. and he's aligned with the president on that. so that's where lew is. lori: since we're handicapping cabinet positions, which bank or hedge fund do you think geithner ends up at? >> that's a good question. i haven't really asked. you know, i'm sure he's going the look to make money. the guyys been in government most of his life. i think he did a little work early on -- lori: how many years was he at the new york fed? >> i think eight, but i could be wrong. i just remember looking at his bio